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ABOUT THE EPISODE

After studying at Oxford University, Chuck DeGroat experienced a personal breakdown that led to major changes not only in his career path but also his faith. In episode 11, Chuck recalls his journey from being a man with all the answers to a man who experiences God in the questions. Sarah and Chuck discuss the dangers of chasing prestige and of looking at faith through a dogmatic lens. They talk about parenting, writing, reading, and his most recent book, When Narcissism Comes to Church.

MEET THE GUEST

Chuck DeGroat is a follower of Jesus, a husband to Sara for 26 years, and a father to two amazing daughters. He is a professor of Counseling and Christian Spirituality at Western Theological Seminary in Holland, MI. He’s written five books, including Wholeheartedness and, most recently, When Narcissism Comes to Church. Chuck is a licensed therapist and a spiritual director. He leads retreats and speak—and he is immensely grateful for it all. During his years pastoring, Chuck started two church-based counseling centers and is committed to honoring people's stories and to providing good, trauma-informed care. To connect with Chuck, you can find him on Instagram and Twitter. To find out more about his work and his books, go to ChuckDeGroat.net.

EPISODE NOTES

• Instagram giveaway

• The Enneagram

• David Wilcox - song: “Start with the Ending”

• Anne Lamott’s Bird by Bird

• Calvin Festival for Faith & Writing

• K.J. Ramsey (author)

• Leaving Egypt: Finding God in the Wilderness Places (another book by Chuck)

• What Chuck is reading:

  • Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation by Kristin Kobes Du Mez

  • Julian of Norwich: Showings

  • Jung’s Map of the Soul by Murray Stein

  • The Road by Cormac McCarthy

• Parks & Rec (currently on Netflix)